54Lights with Kondwani Mwase
54Lights with Kondwani Mwase

Episode 67 · 2 months ago

Bring Art Back To Life



In this episode, host Kondwani Mwase is joined by Rwandan urban music icon, Cassa. Cassa emerged from the music scene via private radio station Contact FM and has gone on to tour alongside the likes of Lupe Fiasco and Delasoul. He was also chosen specially to perform a tribute to Music Producer Quincy Jones!

Among other things, Cassa opened up about his musical journey, the source of his inspiration as well as his writing process. Listen in to hear an infectious and energetic conversation highlighted by his hit song, Dis O Dat, which is featured throughout the course of the episode. WARNING: You'll undoubtedly become a fan of his music and magnetic presence.

Music for this episode was provided by our guest, Cassa, whose work can be enjoyed below: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1qVqyeTICpuu938EF2Lxon?si=EGvVjgA0SbCxMSzy2TvISQ


Kondwani was introduced to Cassa from a referral from our friends and family at KIF Radio.

  • Cassa’s music journey first began in Church in his birth home of Rwanda at 8 years old. Then when he was 12, he joined a performing group, leading him to eventually recording music at the age of 18.
  • Cassa likes having as much control over his own music and art. This is why he has started to learn to produce his own music alongside his writing.
  • A lot of Cassa’s newest music is very intentional, every song is meant to fit a certain mood.
  • It was only when moving to the U.S from Rwanda that Cassa began to really learn the in-depth and long-lasting impact of slavery. This has been reflected in some of his songs, including Ndugu Yangu [My Sibling in Swahili] on his EP Back to Life.
  • Using a variety of languages in music can be seen as risky, but something that pays off in Cassa’s case. Cassa truly leans into his art and doesn’t even recognise it as a risk.
  • Live performances mean a lot to Cassa and his music, it was something he missed during the pandemic. He wrote his latest EP with this in mind with a strong intention to take this music out on the road with him.  


00:27 “Sometimes the music stops, the rhythm and the reasons gets pushed aside, best laid planned leads inexplicably to an unscripted place”

01:59 “Everything stopped, everything changed, everything moved. Overcome by a soft trauma of motion my body swayed, my mouth smiled, my mind eased”

12:40 “I’m screaming loud who I am, there’s no one better that can do that than me”

19:50 “I’m actually really enthralled by your ability to embrace the risk of using different languages in your music”

25:44 “The more we’re experimenting with sounds, the more we’re trying to recreate it, we actually created a better sound”

30:00 “Even if I jump on a trend, I will morph that trend to fit me”


Dis O Dat by Cassa: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1qVqyeTICpuu938EF2Lxon?si=EGvVjgA0SbCxMSzy2TvISQ


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54Lights is committed to illuminating the African experience...one story (beat) at a time. 

From our sound stage and auditory office to your hearts and ears across the globe. The following has been crafted with care for your listening ears. Make a wish, baby, I'm much in the bottle. If you rob me good. Sometimes the music stops, the rhythm and the reason gets pushed aside. bestly, plans lead inexplicably to an unscripted place. As I was preparing for the launch of this season, I had a plan, one guest for each country, with fifty four nations to visit in the march of the map, the continental map, that is. I didn't have time or bandwidth to do anything by it, I said a schedule, polished every inch of the blueprint and stood prepared. From my March progress and discipline personified, I was ready. And then, as I steadied my mind for the journey, my brothers and sister at kiff radio emailed me a list, some gems to check out, what to do. Kif is always right, and an invitation to get lost in lyrics. That comes from Kiff, there's never a bad idea. So I pushed the play somewhat randomly on one of the tracks that they had sent. I had landed on a song called this or that by someone named Hassa and brought up first sap. Everything stopped, every thing changed, everything...

...moved, overcome by a soft trauma of motion. My body swayed, my mouth smiled, my mind eased and my script, the well laid plans I had crafted and painstakingly refined, they were lost on the dance floor, man carefully trampled thanks to a referral from Kif and the magnetism of my next guest, the aforementioned Cassa. Good morning, good day or good evening, and welcome to fifty four lights. The steady drumbeat that is our fourth season is beginning with some inspiring preseason episodes. For those just joining or those joining as a matter of habit, remember that this season we're diving head first into the deep end, dedicating each and every episode to seeing one corner of the African continent. We're going to March the African map and all fifty four countries in it, one story at a time. But before we do, a special note that we're embarking on a preseason, a primer to get a set for the journey, and today our preseason continues what was supposed to be the second part of an extended spotlight on Rwanda, has now become a part of our powerful preseason. Now, without further a ramble, please lean in and listen up to my next fun filled conversation with Cassa. I cannot tell you I get excited all my guests. I really do. I have a lot of...

...fun talking to people. I'm loving this project, I'm loving where it's going, and people know that. They I hope they can feel my energy coming through the phone, even though it's we're doing this face to face, but it's or not face to face, video, Um, but this is an auditory format. But Man, Oh man, Oh man, when I when I when I pressed play on a couple of your tracks, man, like I just kind of put in the background and Mike, okay, let we prefer for this interview. Let me just see what's Cassa Mafia about? Play walk away and I'm like, Oh man, I started grooming. Appreciate it. I appreciate so yeah, it's honestly such a privilege. Thank you for joining me on fifty four lights, this journey, which is giving me the ability to meet some just incredible artists and some credible people from the continent and abroad, and so I'm here folks with Cassa Mafia, who is an artist extraordinaire, who, I believe you're based in Atlanta, I I believe. I think that's it. Or you're in the states, aren't you? You're based in the state. I'm actually based in Toronto. So I'm based in I'm from Toronto, Canada, but I'm right now based in Montreal. I just moved to Montreal to music connections here. Look at that. Listen. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I got that wrong. I'll hopefully edit that out, but if I don't, everybody knows I'm Human Um. But yeah, I apologize for that. But you are walking through the cities that I'm walking through. So I used to live in Montreal. That's used to be my stomping grounds and I'm now in Toronto. So I'm so happy that we're in the same city. We're close enough. Close Enup, we are fantastic. So listen. Let me jump into the questions that I have, but I gotta, I gotta ask You, first of all, what are you doing in Montreal? What are you doing in Toronto? Like, what where are you at? You you've got a show coming up or just like to be topical? What's going on? Yes, I live in Toronto. Fifteen years until the pandemic, when I decided, you know what,...

I want to see something else. I want to make some different connections in different cities, and Montreal was the first on my list, and that's how I found myself here. I just picked up really everything and and I moved here for for a little while, just because I like to if I'm going to network, I like to be there, I like to I like to really feel the culture of the city. So that's why I found myself here. Really, if my music amazing and Montreal is a great scene. For those folks who know me a little bit more, as I've mentioned to Casa Maphia just a few minutes ago, is I used to live in Montreal. It's a beautiful city, beautiful people, rich cultures, like a huge mix, and isn't such a bad spot if you decide to happen to move there in the summer, which which it seems you have done so. So you picked the right you picked the right time to move, because it's festival season and it's just people know how to party, so you're you're in good hands. You're in good hands. I love it profile, I love it. Awesome, awesome, Hey, listen, and CASTA Mafia. Where did you get that name from? What's what's? What? Tell me about that? First of all, we gotta start there. My my artist name is actually just CASTA. So CASTA, CASTA Mafia, Casta mafia, is just really I just always living for a fun handler from my instagram, and that's really what, Oh, got you, because you know, it's funny. It's funny that you say that, because I wrote in my sort of like prep for this, I wrote Casta and then I was like, I'm looking at your your Instagram, I'm like Casta Africa. So I'm like, I gotta, I gotta put that on there. So now I'm like I added it on. So that's funny. That's funny. So CASTA. Is that sure for anything? Is that you say your name? What does it mean? Like, where's there? Where's the origins of that? It's actually easy. My real name, my real name is Daddy. So my first name is Daddy, just like that, D A, D Y and UH. It's only when I moved to America that I found out there was something interesting. About my name. where I come from, it doesn't really mean much. Really, it's just another name. and Uh so, after after a few...

...run INS with people who really had to make me explain why my name is Daddy, I decided to find a nickname and that would just like, make my life easier and passise my nickname. So, funny enough, people never believe that my real name is my name. They believe that my nickname is my nicknames. I go with that. My nickname is my names. I go with that. This is the this is true journalism at play. Now I've revealed that the real name is Daddy. Yea, that's uh, that's so funny. So so tell me, tell me about your journey into music and tell me, like what kind of brought you to that space as an artist. I'M gonna try to make it brief. So I I was born in Rwanda. I was born raising Rwanda and that's really where I started my music journey. The first time I got introduced to music was in church. So I signed it. I signed it an a chore a CASSODIC CHOIR FOR A couple of years. I was only be there for like three years, and after that I just wanted to get back in the neighborhood and play soccer with friends. Really, I was eight years old at that time, so I wasn't serious about music. It was just something to do and I really went there just because some friend of mine used to go practice at this church and I thought it was the thing to do, so I just went there. Really it was never really something that I thought I had, I had in me. I only reconnected back with music again when I was a teenager. So it was like I think it was like twelve or something like that. That is when I joined. It was a Danis Curve. It's IT'S A it's a collective of artists. It's called cool family, and that is really where I made my debut with singing and dancing and all that, and after that I just kept going through, kept pushing with art and found myself now recording music. My first song that I recorded was I was probably I was probably just I was probably just eighteen or something like that. I was really young. It was very well received by home in Rwanda and regionally and...

...it was playing on every radio and that just gave me the boost that this is what this is what I have to do, this is what I was I was born to do. From then on I just kept on, kept on releasing music and recording and recording, and that took me from Rwanda to L A for a few years and from L A to Toronto a few years and now in Montreal. So that's that's in a very short tell me about your life. Is In thirty seconds, right, like yeah, yeah, that's there's there's so much in between, but that's probably like how I could come pack that into a story that's digestible. Yeah, no, that you know, and that's that's super helpful. I'm always curious about people, especially when they're doing writing, like writing or music. How involved are you in that process? Are you a writer? Are you a composer? Are You you know? And you've got really cool videos. You've obviously got a cool look that's curated. So like, like what? What? Like, what is? Where does Casta come into that and where does Cassa? Then say no, you know, maybe I've got somebody else handling that. I so it's a little bit of both. I've doubled into having people handle that and having full control of some stuff. Personally, I like to have as much control of my art as possible. Because I'm a very expressive person and sometimes I feel like if someone is going to express who I am, it has to be me Um, so I like to be part of that so much. In the past few years, most of my music was just was mostly produced by other producers who I didn't really have a lot of a lot of input in there. Of course I will. I will have a say on on suggesting a couple of things or a couple of sounds and stuff like that. But like in the past couple of years, I have been learning actually music production and I'm proud to say that on my latest EP actually produced one song, which is the first time I produced anything. So it's it's mind blowing for me that that I was able to do that, just in the...

...same spirit I was before learning music production, actually was learning video production, just because, when it comes to a video, it's really where I feel like I express who I am with the visuals, and sometimes it always felt like my vision wasn't from veyed completely. So it was really important for me to like, when it comes to how I'm presented visually, it had to be true to really who I am. So I learned that too, and on my latest project I produced one of my music videos. So I'm really the top of the type of artists I really like to be. I'm screaming a loud who I am. So there's nobody that can do that better than me. I can. I can trust people who I feel like I understand who I am too, to convey that. But when I can, I like to have as much control as I can really. So I write. I write my own my own music, I write my own lyrics, I produced my own videos and I am trying to produce my own songs too. So I'm really involved into into it. And, you know, in looking at your brand and looking at, you know, like the music and listening to it and seeing a couple of videos, I'm like, this feels so authentic. Do you know what I mean? It feels like it's like whatever is happening in CASTA's universe, it's flowing through. So if he's got a team behind him, like, you know, more power to him. The team understands him, but for sure this felt like it was like it's got your your fingerprints all over it. It means a lot when people actually are able to get that. So it really means a lot that you've got that. I appreciate. Oh yeah, no, it's it's evident. It just shines, shines right through you know. And in speaking of shining right through it. So I'm gonna ask you a really like again, maybe this is an obvious question or a contentious one, I'm not sure. is in your body of work, do you have Um, you know, in the world that I work in now it's sort of like you can never talk about you...

...know, the pieces that you create there are like your children and you can't say do you like one of your children more than your other one? But I don't care. I don't care about that. I'M gonna ask. The question is to say, look, is it like? Is there something that you've created where you're like, oh, man, that's my favorite for now, or or is it sort of like, is that true that like everything is equally you know, are you equally jacked up about everything? To be honest with you, I am equally jacked up about everything. There's but I'm equally I always feel like any any of my latest project is really where I'm at in my growth, in my artistry. So it's never it's never really where I think I should be, because I'm I'm always trying to grow. It's basically going to be a guess. I know I'm starting to be really because, Um, a lot of the new project, for example, that I have was very intentional, like every song was made to fit a certain mood. So I really put as much work on each song as I did on the next. Really, but some songs have a certain meaning that a little bit just heavier and on the on my lettus product, on my letters, in the lettuce EP, that is called black life, just like a single black life. On my lettuce ep it is a song called Douguy angle and it's a song in Swahili Um and it means my sibling. The reason why that song is is heavier on my I'm not really gonna say that it's my favorite, but it's it's it just has a little bit of a deeper and heavier meaning to me is because when I first moved from from Africa to the West, I lived in in L A for a little while and that was the first time that I was actually introduced to the real the real effect of slavery and and everything that the African American people went through. This is...

...something that we learned in school in Africa, but we don't really get in depth on how much it affected the people and how much it still is affecting the people today. Because where I came from, like when you see an African American, you we see them on TV, in music videos or NBA players. So like, in a way, before we had social media where I came from and I ran that, we always thought that they're good, you know. So it was only when I got to live in America for a few years that I got to really understand the impact of how much they were affected by slavery and just the whole racist system there. And the one question that most of the African Americans kept on asking me every time they learned that I'm African. They always asked me, what do you guys think of us, you know, like what? Is there any common idea what you guys think of us? Like? Do you guys remember us? Like is there is there a part of you guys that that recognize us, you know, and I never really knew how to how to answer to that question until I was writing this EP and this song came up to me. It's Um, I didn't write this is the only song on my on my ep that I didn't write. It was written by a Congolese group called Berruti trio, and they are they they were popular back in the in the in the eighties and early nineties, and the song was introduced to me by my sister, who was also a musician, judicial a gospel music singer as a producer, so when I was just around eight or nine years old, to introduced me to this song that literally shocked me so much. He talks about he talks about remembering the sibling that was taken and that was made too and that was exploited and they died young, their their sweat in vain, and telling him that I remember him every day and night, like Um, they are in my dreams, that I'm my thought all the time and I had lost touch with that song for a long time and when I was writing this ep out of nowhere, it just king to me and I was like, that is...

...the song that that has all the answers and all the all the feelings that I would love to convey to our African American brothers and let them know that this is the African spirit. You are part of us. Wherever you are, well, remember you. We know you, we recognize you, you know. So I got in touch with the with the with the artist that wrote the song, and it was like magic. It was like it was it was like it was meant to be. I didn't know him, but somehow I knew another musician who's the son of a legendary community musician that knows this group connect to like liartly. The moment that that I decided to do that song, everything was almost falling into place and within a week I got the rights and and and everything to do the song and I recorded it. And so that song means that much to me. You know, all of them are my babies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And your your baby can mean something different to you at different times. So that is, you know, I love all of the things that you said there. You're right. Coming from you know, I was born in Ethiopia. So for me coming to Canada, it was kind of the same thing as like and and Canadian black people in Canada have a very different existence as well than the states, but it is this western sort of like, oh, I have to sort of learn what their existence is and was and how profoundly they were, you know, sort of impacted by slave trade and all these stuff, things that we're not kind of taught about back home. We're kind of Tart in a in a very sort of like out of a you know, out of a history book, and it's so it's very it's very diluted and distant and art has the power to bridge that. So I really love that you used vocals and music to to to tell that story and to build that bridge. I'm actually really enthralled by your what what I would say, in a very, very simplistic terms, your ability to embrace the...

...risk of using different languages, in this case Swahili, in your music. And there's a part of me that's like man, like, this guy is leaning hard into art, like he is like he's taking a risk, because I don't speak Swahili. But again, the music that I've listened to from on your EPS and I've I've checked him on spotify, I'm like, I'm grooving, I don't understand the meaning of all the words, but I just it's all beautiful. But then I'm like like that's risk. That's risky though, right. So I guess the simple and and maybe you know, very very pragmatic question is like how do you manage the risk, or do you even see it as a risk? Or do you say this is, this is who Cassa is? That's funny. I'm just realizing that it's a risk while you're what you're talking about. I mean like because I was like, well, people don't necessarily understand it and maybe like you know, but but, like I said, my confession is I don't know that I didn't understand the language. I'm like, AH, about is? Ask Him, is it's? Why? You know, where is it? But I was still drawn in. So like, yeah, it's kind of like, well, maybe it's a risk, but hey, I'm here, I'm here, I'm a fan. I reached out to you. You know, you didn't. Yeah, so I'm realizing that it's a risk, but but it's really something that I didn't see as a risk. Really singing in Swahili on that specific song to me how to how to double meaning of actually, I don't know if and if you do that too, but like many times when when people from Rwanda, we are in a group of people and there is something personal that we have to say. Like let's say we're in a group of people and all of us speak English, but there's something person that we have to say. We switched really fast in our language and right back in English, and you won't even notice that we switched. But like only those who are concerned got the message. You know, there's a there's a subtlety right like there's there's conversations happening in levels. I get it. Yes, yes, so to me, in a way, I wanted to bring the and the...

CP. I wanted a few little things that are very personal. I wanted to communicate it only to us, you know, but you know what, you go ahead, and so that's some in particular. I felt like it was a message for specific people. It was a message for our people, and it has to be completely sway. In a way, it was a message that is intended for a specific person, and that's who I wanted. I wanted to receive it through Oh, I love that. I love that. Um, listen to the other you know, I'll talk about some of your other children. I'll talk about two songs which I've fallen hard or hard, hard, hard, it is back to life and this this or that, and I'm telling you, like I toggle between what I'm like. Okay, I have to just pick one pick one, to ask him about one of them, but I'm like no, no, I like, I can't pick between the children. I love these two songs. Pulled in and I can't now I can't remember which one of them where you do weave in, it might be back to life, but I'm not too sure where you do even and I don't know if it is while he leave. saw that that question is like what's the other language in there, and it does feel like it's like, Oh, you're saying something to somebody, like you're it's a it's a little like hey, you, whisper, whisper, over here. I'm talking, I'm talking to you, you know, and I'm still grooving here and I'm like, I understand the English parts, but I know what he's doing something over there. What's he doing over there? So I love that, the multiplicity and the layers with which you approach these two songs. But I have to say those two songs are just really, really powerful. They're different, different energies, but they're supremely you know. They pull you in and I encourage everybody to have a listen. But again, you know, and I don't want to say risk again, but when you when you decide that you want to have this layered approach to one song? How did you arrive at that? That's that's also it's not again. This isn't risk now, but this is more about creativity, because I'm like, wow, that's that's bold. It's maybe that. Maybe risk is the wrong word bold.

Thank you. Thank you so much. See. See, back to life is a very interesting song to me. Man Like in the song that as soon as we started recording the song, it felt like it was some kind of like spiritual communion happening. The song. Actually is the reason why I created the entire EP. When I recorded back to life was just when I started getting back a little bit more into my African group. For like a little while, I was doing some a lot of like funk sounds and that that's that's really what I was exploring at that time. Back to life was the first song that I did when I was just in the group of getting back into my more apt for sounds and stuff like that. But I also didn't want to just make a song that sounded like everything that is on radio. Um, I wanted to create a sound that felt familiar yet yet different, something that I could claim that it's really mine, you know, and I didn't really know how to go about that. It's a song back to life. taught me how to go about that. And what what I what I mean about that is that a couple of times the song literally just like took direction and took us in a whole different direction. Um, twice we lost, we lost all the files of the song twice times, like two times. So like twice we had to rebuild the song from a scratch, and at first we were worried about that, because a production can be like a freestyle sometimes, and sometimes how you got there is not really how you're going to get there. If you're trying to do it intentionally, you know you might, you might get close, but not really there, you know. But it became a blasting in disguise to watch, because the more we're experimenting with sounds, the more we're trying to create it, we actually created a better sound. It's it's not more like a reaches sound. Um. Most of the instruments that that are played in the song are live instruments and they're all like musicians. That I knowing that I'm a really big fan of that, actually was willing to come and play in the studio with us...

...and at the end of all those experiments, that became what what I was like. This is it. This is the sound that I was trying to create. You know, I was trying to create a sound that is going to be not too experimental but still familiar, but something that I can really claim, like this is something that we we came up with, this is something that we created. It might sound a little bit similar to like some stuff that you have heard, but again, it will draw you in in a way that you feel like you're you're listening to something kind of like I knew at the same time, something special at the same time. So we could not put it into words, but we knew the recipe and that's how we decided to create all the other songs around it. And Funny Enough, the second song was this and that. So it's it's the second song that I kind of like try to to recreate that vibe, but in a different way. Basically, my my goal is always to give something that is different, but not super different that it scars the list of it. Yeah, you know, like it it is. I love that you described it that way, because they are distinct. You know what they they they are their own songs, their own vehicles, their own emotions. But it's kind of like I'm like and I don't I don't know you well enough to say this, but I'm like, it feels like Cassa, do you know what I mean? Like it. It comes from the House of Cassa a lot to intentionally do things and people see them. Sometimes when when you don't get that tree doctor, like did I? No, no, man. Now I'm I'm appreciating the intentionality, although like the subtle intentionality of how you did it. And again, from somebody WHO's not in the in the music business or in the music game, I'm just like just a fan. And final question is, what's next for you? What should people be looking out for? I'M gonna try. I'll talk to you a little bit afterwards about how I want to treat this particular episode. But back to life. That that EP sounds great. You've given us a few things that we should listen to and maybe put it into some Google translate and see you're subtenly trying to tell people.

But what's next for you? What what? What are? What's next on the horizon for you? What's next for me. I intentionally made this EP fun to perform. I also intentionally made it a no feature, just because sometimes it can be really hard to coordinate with a different artists when you have to perform a certain song that you're recorded together. So I wanted to make this song fun, fun to perform, especially that I just spent two years of the pandemic without performing at all. So I wanted to really to really arm myself with something to really interact with with the audiences. So this is an album that I want to take on the road. That's why I mean I'm once you're all here and making those connections. I have a few shows planned here in Montreal, I have a few shows planned in Toronto, and that is really what I'm going to do this whole summer before I get myself in the studio and in trouble to record another ep again, but like this one, I am going to be on stage with it. That's amazing, amazing. Um, I just thought of one last question. You know, I'll let you. I'll let you go after this one. The audience. Do you create for the audience or de Create for Cassa? Here's the funny thing. I rarely create something that I feel it might be terrible for me to say, I really create something that I feel like people expect to hear from me. I I'm an artist that just expressed myself and that's really how I got here. You know, I got here about just like being loud and saying things the way I feel them and present things the way I feel them, and whoever feels that and follows those are my people. So I'm really the type of artists that just express myself. And sometimes you're making me realize that I take risk. Is because I don't really custom make things for an audience. You know, I make work that whoever feels compelled to listen to it, we'll listen to it. So that's really how I go about it. Really, like I rarely jump on a trend. I even if I dw going to try, and I will morph that trying to fit...

...me. You know, I'm really the artist that just like express myself. Whoever fills it fills it. A man. Well, listen, Cassa. I know there's gonna be tons of people in Montreal, in Toronto, in Ottawa, across the across Canada, who are going to be feeling it and loving, loving, it and people across the world who are listeners of this show and listeners of yours, fans of yours, hordes of them. You've got to check out Cassa. He's not Cassa Matthew, as I said before, but that is his handle on instagram. Um, I want to thank you so much for coming on this show. I know it was short, but super sweet for me and I really, really appreciate your time. Thank you so much this this means a lot to be everything. You stayed there. That went straight to what hard thank you so much. Thank you fantastic. I'm much in the bottle if you run me. So there you have it. The conversation continue. US Let the music play on, play on and play on. As noted off the top, part of our show was recorded and produced at the sound stage and auditory office of fifty four lights, and while our stage is small, our lights together shine brightly. This season, more than most, has been produced in partnership with some incredible people, ones I typically avoid rattling off anonymously, but today's journey is full of exceptions. To my friends at Kiff radio, you broke me again. If you want to find the best jams on the planet. Ones like cassas. Tune in the KIFF radio, but do it at your own risk. The office space, parking lot or patio may just turn into a dance floor whether you like it or not. Now, before I go, a special shout out to my amazing guests who joined me while in Montreal. Thank you for representing Rwanda artists and yourself so beautifully and elefantly, my friend, and of course,...

...my enormous gratitude goes to you, the listener, for tuning in yet again. Thank you for lending us your ears. My name, again is caned wanims. Here's hoping you find yourself and a dance floor in every play. It's been fierce. Until we speak again, a couple of Homs. You want to like this.

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